Click pics to enlarge. Beneath the TV are the Monbrison Preamp and the F2A amp (only side showing). Beneath are the 300B Limited monoblocks. The DAC (pic below) hides behind the screen.
Brief Home Visit: All Shindo Setup
Weeks ago, before this current Fourth Wave in Hong Kong, I visited R (with his wife and son), a former student and ENT specialist, who is a classical music aficionado. The visit was relatively short and, as courtesy, I voluntarily wore mask almost the whole time.
Throughout, R just streamed music. No LP was played. DAC is an old Wavelength Crimson, which employs, by chance, the 71A tube (not a current version). Preamp is the Shindo Monbrison (newer version than mine), which drives the 300B Limited monoblocks (all WE tubes). This marked the first time I listened to Shindo loudspeakers, in this case the Lafite.
A Word on Field Coils Before permanent magnets became the norm, field coils were used. Each driver needs a power supply (tube traditionally) to deliver the magnetic field and the PSU can be bigger than an amp! Being very old drivers, vintage field coil drivers are highly prized (beside the rare-as-hen's-teeth WE's [a coming WE report will have pics of these], many others, like Jensen and Motorola, made them). The Lafite is an 8" full-range field-coil driver (Official Spec's). I doubt Ken Shindo developed it all by himself. After all, Japan has well established companies specializing in making field-coil drivers, from the "more reasonable" Maxonic to the ridiculously expensive Feastrex (which I have heard but was not won over on that occasion). One thing, the DC PSU can be done on the cheap, or can be very expensive. Today, except for DIY efforts, boutique units are usually solid state. Thumbs down to all the Shindo dealers and the small circle of writers who write about them - none of them ever wrote as much as one word on the internal power supply of the Lafite or the larger Latour. I reckon it is solid state.
Perhaps because of the lowish volume, sound was smooth but not quite lively enough for me. Indeed I did not quite feel the directness of a full-range driver, not to mention the qualities mentioned by the dealers and select writers (next paragraph). Indeed the sound reminds me a little of another Shindo system, my friend Simon's, which though showing some WE qualities, was smooth rather than direct, and lacking somewhat in presence.
Aside from a couple of user comments, there is no real Lafite review on the internet. There are "reports" on the dealers' setups by the likes of Jeff Day and partimeaudiophile but these (especially the latter) look like insider activities that really should not see print. When dealers and writers wine and dine and party together, what do you think happen to the reports? They look like ads. You'd think all these minds will do some useful poking or probing, like finding out more about the PSU, but no. It bothers me that a small group of writers and dealers befriend each other and generate lofty prose that some people buy into (now, Art Dudley did not do that). You only see them do this for expensive stuff, right? And it also irks me that, as happens so frequently, reviewers with little experience in horns and vintage equipment wax lyrics on these modern systems.
This is not to say I think the Lafite is over-rated. I think there are several problems with Raymond's setup: (a) he has plenty of room but the system is placed against a wall, and I advised him to relocate that to where the sofa is (where I took the pic). This would put the loudspeakers in the middle of the room and they should sound more open; (b) equipment are placed on Sound Mechanics stands (this is a HK brand that use HDF, which hopelessly damps the liveliness out of music[very expensive Finite Element does that too]). So, waiting for those to be rectified, I'd postpone judgement; indeed I hope to hear them again!
Thanks John for the visit and the constructive comments. Actually I placed the speakers 2 feet from the back wall the sound already opened up. I read in the web that people place this speaker about a third along the length of the room. Will try and report back.
ReplyDeletewhat would i do:
ReplyDelete1 - got rid of power regenerators
2 - bought normal (heavy and beautiful) furniture. like that.
https://oswaldsmillaudio.com/racks
it hurts to see excellent electronics piled up in a heap and suffocate from vibrations, electric smog and hot from neighboring devices. (+ psychological comfort will immediately improve).
The owner loves classical music and sophistication (listens at low volume in the near field) - we change the wire from the preamplifier to the power amplifier for Atlas Mavros, we change the acoustic wires for these
http://www.audio-consulting.ch/?Parts:Silver_Wire_with_cotton_isolation
source mac mini? use a player like this
https://www.sonicstudio.com/amarra/asqp.php
John said there is not enough life ... (he did not hear LP - maybe everything is fine there), then we are looking for a weak link - I would replace the DAC with a solid-state Mytek Manhattan DAC II (it is cheaper than Wavelength - buy furniture for the difference).
Now the most important part is the speakers. When you bought Lafite, did you listen to them? - if you like the sound, you will have to leave them and try to move them around the room and further from the wall.
For vocals, flamenco, solo instruments - there is nothing better than full-range speakers (audio nirvana ... but you cannot make a good cabinet yourself - you need a master of making musical instruments or cabinetmaker) ... there will be a very deep stage, the sound is cut off from the equipment, perfect focus in the middle, realism of voices ...
Classical music loves the scale of "defocus" - a wide stage ...
You are trying to create the illusion of space in space (the sound of your small system in a large room, as John wrote), when such a dissonance of sizes - the weight of the music is lost (especially at low volume)! A subwoofer is really needed here (it should not be heard - in a classical orchestra there is no powerful bass like in a cinema, but it will increase the total mass of sound - it will give a scale).
Perhaps you need these speakers
https://www.quad-hifi.co.uk/esl-2812/
P / S a million dollars for this consultation - you can transfer to the great white whale rescue Fund
Expensive recommendations and consultation! I agree with those that cost nothing or little, like placement and perhaps the Amarra software and addition of a subwoofer. But I am highly skeptical of expensive boutique brands like Oswaldmill (I like their industrial design visually but disagree with choice of material, including slate) and Swiss Audio Consulting (yes, I have heard their silver stuff, including volume control and cables, which did nothing for me).
DeleteBut then, perhaps u just wrote that tongue-in-cheek.
he has money once he bought what he has ... then he can afford it if he wants to realize his full potential. Oswaldmill - I meant the look ... (buy something similar or order from a cabinetmaker).
DeleteAmarra - used to cost about $ 600 .., but there is an equalizer - it means the ability to adjust (they don’t do it by ear - you need a measuring device).
Audio Consulting - I have heard 2 times complete Shindo systems with these wires ... I liked the sound, and the owner is just obsessed with different wires - in his words this is a good combination ... I will buy them myself if someday a Japanese does me a dac (he refuses to return the money - he says I'll do it).
Atlas Mavros - I owned this cable ... I tried it in several systems and that subtle taste (delicate presentation, grace) will come in handy here. Audio is alchemy))
It is better to buy high-quality, expensive things (not to be confused with clearly overpriced) - cheap 9 times out of 10 - these are very average characteristics and wasted time ...
Wow, a full Shindo system is a rare listening experience. I'm curious about the Power Supply too but I doubt anyone will care to give that information. Have you ever read the Shindo fans forums?? Any question asked the answer is: consult an authorized dealer and they will guide you to the path. Also, the US importer wanted reviews only from authors he trusted (there are discussions online about this). And complained for not being informed in advance that Stereophile would measure a preamp. It's a method, a policy, they do what they want, my only remark is it is very XXth Century not quite the openness we expect in the Internet age.
ReplyDeleteAll that said I would love to hear some Shindo gear but in Europe it is almost impossible as they became illegal a long time ago refusing to complain with the RoHS regulations. Some used items surface from time to time but you don't find them next-door.
Lafites are an intriguing - and daring - design, with just a single cone driver, and not that small, with front horn loading... how do they reach to the highest frequencies? Maybe they don't aim to the 20kHz mark... More than classic Lowther designs (completely different approach to drivers design, I think), it reminds me of an old Ken Shindo project, seen in picture somewhere (maybe 6 Moons?), of a WE755 with front and back horn loading.
The fact that people who take sound quality so seriously like Keith Aschenbrenner of Auditorium 23 and the late Art Dudley have/had that much respect for Ken Shindo is itself a very strong recommendation. They actually use/used that stuff for listening, and that is significant.
But is the company still in business? The website has been down for some time now - in fact the link from the article is broken - and since KS passed away in 2014 and very few new products, if any, came out after that date, I have some doubts.
Finally I don't know that is the reality behind all this field coil mystique, apart from it being an old and difficult technology, all I know is that the only field coil driver I have ever listened to literally blew me away. Hearing the WE555 reproduce mid frequencies was a life-changing experience. But that sound is, I think, the sum of many parts. No way all field coil drivers can sound like the 555, be them compression drivers or cones.
Personally, I am convinced of the merits of Shindo's preamp. My Monbrison is very good but it certainly has areas that can be improved upon. I had the same observation as Art Dudley: the built-in MC steup transformer is not as good as my own SUTs, not even my bargain (it was at least) Bob's Device. And I dream of Simon's Giscours.
DeleteMoons ago I borrowed a Shindo Claret and wrote about it in one of this blog's earliest articles:
https://cheaptubeaudio.blogspot.com/2008/07/review-shindo-claret-preamplifier.html
I had the chance to purchase it later but somehow I didn't. I regret that decision.
I am not so sure of Shindo amps, not even this 300B amp, which I have heard at Simon's. I have not heard the SE Cortese or the PP Sinhonia, and I have no interest, because I have heard the Klangfilm F2A amps before. For me, there is no way the F2A tube (or indeed any pentode or tetrode, with the exception of WE) sounds nearly as good as a good DHT. As for Shindo's PP amps, as with most modern PP amps, Japanese or not, I have no interest whatsoever because modern day PP trannies simply do not measure up to vintage ones.
Many years ago, I walked into In-Living Stereo in NYC (they ignored me) and heard a Shindo setup playing. Those guys need to improve their setup skills.
It is interesting what you wrote about the small world of Shindo dealers and forum. Indeed that is my observation. I don't generally like small inner circles.
I thought Shindo is now run by his wife and son. It's not unusual for Japanese companies to suffer down time with their websites! :-)
I completely agree with your comment about mystiques, and that it takes many things for something to come together. I am also glad that you appreciate WE sound. Believe it or not, not everyone "gets" it. Take the JBL sound, almost everyone gets it. But the qualities of WE, much more subtle and sophisticated, elude many less trained ears.
Oh, BTW, Raymond said he has so far been disappointed by the Cortese.
Deleteperhaps it's time to hurt (no - trample))) ...) the professional pride of the ENT doctor:
ReplyDeletevideo 1 - the woman had 26 years of severe allergy (polynosis - wormwood), 8 times Quincke's edema ... she tried to recover in different countries, including 5 years went to Israel, 3 years to China - useless ... And this one a man repaired her health in 5 seconds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsJgglsk1OA
video 2 - on his birthday (72 years old) he squatted with a barbell of 255 kg ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mWac0yAGHA
This set up is good for a cheap system, I am schocked to see such beautiful gear coming from Japan in such a poor set up. In france we say: do not give caviar to the pigs.
ReplyDeleteIn france I bet they also tell you: vous êtes un connard grossier.
DeleteThat parttimeaudiophile article, "The Path of Shindo – A Journey through Japanese high fidelity," looks like a stroke piece of a bunch of rich boys that, what my friend says, "so many of them are trying so hard to demonstrate their good taste. It’s nauseating." Nice pictures though.
ReplyDeleteGood taste is the curse of the middle class.
ReplyDeleteAnd the middle class is the curse... ad infinitum.
The cult of the Japanese tube guru is intoxicating, but every binge is followed by a hangover.
U made me laugh!
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